OQOTD - What Is The Most Overrated Car On The Market Today

"Margin Of Error" (marginoferror) 09/15/2015 at 12:02 • Filed to: OQOTD

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Todays’s QOTD is running late so let’s have one between us. I will compile and share the results later or maybe tomorrow.

Some very good cars are getting no coverage at all and noboby buys them, that’s a shame. Saab and Suzuki comes to mind. On the other hand, some cars are getting raving reviews while not being that good at all.

What car for sale right now is the most overrated ?

not for canada - australian in disguise > Margin Of Error 09/15/2015 at 12:05

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Snoozeville.

Margin Of Error > not for canada - australian in disguise 09/15/2015 at 12:06

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Oh my god yes, yes a million time. Especially the god damned 328i xDrive.

MultiplaOrgasms > Margin Of Error 09/15/2015 at 12:09

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Mazda 6 Skyactiv E

A Hellcat Charger is faster where it matters (around a track & top speed), looks better and is cheaper. Also V8. This is a temporary statement of course, at some point the empire will strike back with better batteries, lower weight and shorter recharging times. Until then, overrated.

Wacko > Margin Of Error 09/15/2015 at 12:10

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How about a Brand that is overrated, I say Audi

MonkeePuzzle > Margin Of Error 09/15/2015 at 12:11

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is it... ?

*ducks*

georgechristensen > Margin Of Error 09/15/2015 at 12:12

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Eric @ opposite-lock.com > Margin Of Error 09/15/2015 at 12:12

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Didn’t Saab die? Didn’t Suzuki leave the US? There’s a reason nobody talks about them.

Margin Of Error > Wacko 09/15/2015 at 12:13

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Most German brands are overrated now since they realized 98% of their customers were only buying the badge. Now they just make FWD shitboxes with a nice badge.

Margin Of Error > MonkeePuzzle 09/15/2015 at 12:13

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Wrong wheel drive

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Margin Of Error 09/15/2015 at 12:14

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Any goddamn Ford that's even slightly performance oriented.

*hides*

Brian, The Life of > MonkeePuzzle 09/15/2015 at 12:14

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No.

Margin Of Error > Eric @ opposite-lock.com 09/15/2015 at 12:15

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What reason, because they don’t bribe major auto news outlets ?

Only Jalopnik is covering the deserving underdogs, because integrity.

Wacko > MonkeePuzzle 09/15/2015 at 12:15

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this is a FWD, Fun Wheel Drive

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Margin Of Error 09/15/2015 at 12:16

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Not a ford fan by any means, but...

Pick another ford, bro. You aren't getting away with that.

Margin Of Error > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 09/15/2015 at 12:18

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The Fusion looks good but is flawed as a midsize sedans. Rear legroom and headroom is very limited for the category.

ChronicVw > MonkeePuzzle 09/15/2015 at 12:19

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It really cant get better for the price. Its good in many aspects.

Moves-Like-Senna > Margin Of Error 09/15/2015 at 12:19

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These twins. Seriously, we get it, they handle well and need more power. Can we just shut up about them. Call me when they shove a turbo 6 in there.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Margin Of Error 09/15/2015 at 12:20

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On this site? The Mazda3 hatch. It is shaped like the Ambiguously Gay Duo’s car.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Margin Of Error 09/15/2015 at 12:21

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I’m 6’4” and fit back there fine.

SnapUndersteer, Italian Spiderman > Margin Of Error 09/15/2015 at 12:21

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Miata

Margin Of Error > Moves-Like-Senna 09/15/2015 at 12:21

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And when you complain about the power, it’s because you “don’t understand” the idea.

.....

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Margin Of Error 09/15/2015 at 12:22

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Perhaps it is, but I'm judging from the drivers seat.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 09/15/2015 at 12:22

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Yeah, that's a tough one to criticize, even as a Chevy fan. The Fusion is a genuinely good car. Fun to drive too.

Margin Of Error > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 09/15/2015 at 12:23

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Everything is relative.

Margin Of Error > georgechristensen 09/15/2015 at 12:24

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The Glorified Golf cart

unclevanos (Ovaltine Jenkins) > MonkeePuzzle 09/15/2015 at 12:25

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Finally somebody points out the circle jerk behind this car.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 09/15/2015 at 12:25

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Especially when its GM opponent supposed competitor is a Malibu. Hope they shake the new one up a bit. New Maxx, SS. Add 3.6V6, AWD. Would buy.

Moves-Like-Senna > Margin Of Error 09/15/2015 at 12:25

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The number of times I’ve wished I had a shovel in my hand while talking to an owner because “I don’t understand”.... haha

Milky > ChronicVw 09/15/2015 at 12:25

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‘cept the WRX. Not my words, Motor Trend’s.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 09/15/2015 at 12:28

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The numbers seem good on the new ‘Bu. Unless there was a typo on the order guide, the base 1.5T makes something like 240 ftlbs of torque. And if it holds true to its claim of 300lbs lost it squeaks in at just under 3100lbs, which is crazy light for something basically as big as an Impala.

Saracen > georgechristensen 09/15/2015 at 12:31

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No. Because they’re pretty damn fantastic.

ChronicVw > Milky 09/15/2015 at 12:31

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St is fater in a straight line, nicer to live with and almost as fast around the corners with its stock tires. In fact its faster than an sti in a straight line (not from the dig). both great cars and you can always make your argument but the st is a fast car.

Saracen > Margin Of Error 09/15/2015 at 12:33

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Honda Fit.

It’s not fun. It’s an ergonomic mess. And it’s painfully slow.

Also, the new Mini Cooper.

It’s hideous inside and out, it’s dramatically overpriced, and it is one of the most unreliable cars on the market.

Justin Hughes > Moves-Like-Senna 09/15/2015 at 12:34

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I own a BRZ, and even I’m tired of this non-stop debate. There should be a turbo STi model, Subaru isn’t going to do it, so we need to get over it and move on.

Besides, that’s what the aftermarket is for.

Milky > ChronicVw 09/15/2015 at 12:36

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I don’t want to call you a liar but:

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 09/15/2015 at 12:37

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That's the number the old 3.9 put down... good. Provided the top engine puts out over 240hp, all that needs done is some suspension tweaks. The old Maxx SS (so I assume the regular SS as well) drove like a dream.

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > Margin Of Error 09/15/2015 at 12:42

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Overrated in the sense that it’s rated as “buyable” judging by how many of these pieces of shit I keep seeing on the road. My Grandma wanted one, so I had to go test drive one for her. It’s pretty terrible. There were cheaper cars made 15 years ago that are much better in pretty much every regard. The CVT is especially bad.

Mr. Ontop, No Strokes, No Smokes...Goes Fast. > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 09/15/2015 at 12:46

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I’ll say it. ... THE MUSTANG in all but it’s highest trim level.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Mr. Ontop, No Strokes, No Smokes...Goes Fast. 09/15/2015 at 12:48

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Ford picked.

CKeffer > MonkeePuzzle 09/15/2015 at 12:50

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It’s honestly hard to do better for an all-around fun DD than this is for the price. Granted, it’s not as fast as a WRX or as refined as a GTI, or as manic as it’s little brother, but it’s cheaper than the first 2 and more practical than the last so I’d have to say that it deserves every bit of praise that it gets.

Textured Soy Protein > Margin Of Error 09/15/2015 at 12:51

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Speaking only in terms of my experience with rental cars, the Fusion is better than the Camry, Altima and Malibu. Except the Fusion’s front seat adjusters keep the bottom of the seat at a weird angle for my overly-muscled legs, and the its infotainment setup is idiotic.

schwartz > MonkeePuzzle 09/15/2015 at 12:58

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Is it perfect, hell no but its the best bang for the buck and far more reliable then a VW.

wiffleballtony > Margin Of Error 09/15/2015 at 12:58

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Tesla Model S.

forgeryfade > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie 09/15/2015 at 12:59

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100% agree. I really can’t believe the amount of people who blindly stay loyal to this car without even comparing it to others.

Manwich - now Keto-Friendly > Margin Of Error 09/15/2015 at 13:00

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Mercedes CLA 250

Luc - The Acadian Oppo > Margin Of Error 09/15/2015 at 13:01

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You must have the Fusion confused with the Taurus. The fusion altho much smaller outside is a damn limousine inside compare to the taurus.

No way in hell is the Fusion over rated It is at minimum in the top two mid sized sedans next to the Mazda 6.

I’ve had my Fusion for two and a half years and I’m still not tired of it AT ALL. That says a lot since I’ve owned 14 cars so far.

wiffleballtony > georgechristensen 09/15/2015 at 13:03

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You sir, deserve a star for this.

Manwich - now Keto-Friendly > Saracen 09/15/2015 at 13:05

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Not to mention the fact that it uses batteries that many auto execs said “don’t exist”. It also proved those same execs wrong about how much demand there is for BEVs... once you actually allow them to be sold rather than leased and crushed.

Round headlight enthusiast > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie 09/15/2015 at 13:06

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I disagree about there being “better, cheaper” cars 15 years ago. Every midsizer made by GM/Ford/Chrysler was disposable, Toyota was still making appliances, Nissan was unreliable, Mazda hadn’t yet released the 6, Mistubishi had no idea what they were doing, and the Koreans were still sourcing parts from Dollar General.

The only lower-tier midsizer that was an all around OK car was the Honda Accord. And even if you put that up against a modern Altima, the Altima has a much higher level of fit/finish, a more composed ride, and a LOT less road noise.

Granted, my pops has an Altima, and I dislike driving it, but it’s maybe mediocre at worst.

ChronicVw > Milky 09/15/2015 at 13:07

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One mans opinion, also the base wrx cost 3 grand over the base st (more than 10% of the total cost of the car) And lets not forget that ford offers a tune under warranty and subaru does not. Look up ford racing performance pack.

The subaru feels great to drive fast, dont get me wrong (better than the focus) , but i wouldn’t want to live with one, thats why i own an st. Real world driving is different from canyon carving, which is all these auto reviewrs do. Also you can fit shit in a subaru sedan other than your bro friends with sideways hats.

William Byrd > Margin Of Error 09/15/2015 at 13:12

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Wait, what? I’ve got a 2014 SE and it’s HUGE in the back. Take a look at the rear door on a Fusion, it’s longer than the front.

William Byrd > Margin Of Error 09/15/2015 at 13:16

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More rear leg room than an A6, which is known as a decent sized car.

38.3 in.vs. 37.4 in.

It’s within an inch of an A8!

38.3 in.vs. 38.7 in.

Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero > Margin Of Error 09/15/2015 at 13:19

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Having driven both....you’ve lost your damn mind, or being sarcastic.

Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero > Margin Of Error 09/15/2015 at 13:21

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They aren’t underdogs. They are dead. As in you can’t buy them new anymore and they don’t have dealer networks. Tesla would actually be an underdog or volvo

Milky > ChronicVw 09/15/2015 at 13:21

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Acts likes bros don’t drive ST’s. Also 0-60 & 1/4 mile times aren’t opinion based. Also also, $2,225 isn’t 3 grand.

You’re not helping the case that the ST isn’t overrated.

nermal > Margin Of Error 09/15/2015 at 13:33

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Subaru WRX.

I don’t care how fast or AWD it is, the interior is crap. It feels like you’re driving a cheap rental car, because they used the interior from a cheap rental car.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Round headlight enthusiast 09/15/2015 at 13:37

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Actually the Camry of that generation is pretty regarded for it’s overall quality and reliability. It is the epitome of Toyota’s reputation. Having been in the new Altima, I’d much rather be in an old Camry.

Van Man, rocks the Man Van > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 09/15/2015 at 13:56

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I was going to say this. I haven't driven one, but I doubt it's really as good as everyone says. Everyone also says the interior is fantastic, but it's alright. Golf is just as good or better in every category.

Et tu, Hellcat? > georgechristensen 09/15/2015 at 14:05

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Came to post this. Glad someone else already has.

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > Round headlight enthusiast 09/15/2015 at 14:12

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I guess it depends on what you’re looking for. Personally, I couldn’t give two shits about road noise or ride (that being said, the Optima I had her test drive rode better and had similar noise levels) or overall fit and finish, but that could just be me because when I’m looking at a car, I’m trying to figure out which switches won’t work in five years and if I can tell what the car’s doing based on my inputs. Every pedal felt like it had a sponge under it, the engine’s a joke, the CVT would have been better as a standard four speed, and the steering wheel felt like I was playing Out Run circa 1993. Some of this is just the nature of modern cars (the electric steering that Nissan hasn’t mastered yet, the CVT to eek out a few extra miles, etc), but it felt more like a dead appliance to me than any Toyota ever could.

random001 > ChronicVw 09/15/2015 at 14:24

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WRX is better for the price.

BReLp7dzHM3ytYsE > Margin Of Error 09/15/2015 at 14:43

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Challenger Hellcat. Yeah, it's got 707 horsepower, but it puts it through to the ground by way of 275mm wide tires. To move a 4000-lb car. Super cool, but also pointless and irrelevant in basically any discussion other than one about the horsepower wars. I do like the Charger Hellcat though, so there's that

Cé hé sin > Saracen 09/15/2015 at 14:47

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They’re ruined by the intensely irritating fan club.

CKeffer > Milky 09/15/2015 at 14:48

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A WRX premium in my area lists at $30,285 which means that is not including TTL. My ST was fully loaded with the exception of a sun roof and ran me a bit over 25k before TTL. So for more money, the WRX would have given me a car with less cargo room, cloth seats that I found to be less comfortable than the leather Recaro buckets in the Focus, but would have been a bit faster and not been FWD (which is honestly not a huge deal since this is my DD, and not a track car for me).....doesn’t sound that overrated to me. In fact, in order to move up to similar interior options as well as HID’s from Subaru, you have to move on to the STI, which list between $36,500 and $36,700, granted you also get a significant power bump there too, but the ST is plenty quick enough to keep me happy so the extra power isn’t enough to make me want to spend $10k more to get the options I wanted from Subaru.

Cé hé sin > Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero 09/15/2015 at 14:50

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But I can buy a Suzuki!

You, maybe not so much.

Milky > CKeffer 09/15/2015 at 15:01

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So the WRX premium in your area is more than normal and you got a discount on your ST. Thats great for you.

Im not calling the ST shit, its oversteer-y, I love that. But as someone else said, there is a “circle jerk behind this car”.

CKeffer > Milky 09/15/2015 at 15:32

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Just as I find a big one around the WRX *shrug* I did a lot of cross shopping when I was looking to replace my MCS with something more practical, and with the Subaru I was amazed at how the dealers treated the car. When I went to the Subaru dealers around here and asked to test drive the WRX because I was considering it as a replacement for my current vehicle, you’d have thought I rolled in to a chevy dealer driving a beater civic and asked to test drive the latest Z06 Corvette. Meanwhile at the ford dealer, the next words out of their mouth were asking what options I was interested in, and if there was a certain color I was looking for....because it’s a freaking mid-priced performance hatchback. The only reassurance they wanted was asking if I knew how to drive stick, when I told them the one I was driving now was manual, that was the end of that. The only reason I wound up test driving the WRX was because a friend owns one and was willing to let me take it for a spin, and I will say that it’s a damn fun car, but it’s not the performance monster that the Subaru dealers make it out to be. Hell, I was able to get a test drive of a manual GTi from a local VW dealer without any hassle as well, and those ran slightly higher in price than the Subaru did. That experience, to me, spoke far more of a circle jerk existing around the WRX than around the ST, or even the GTI, at least on levels that actually have an impact. You can find internet circle jerks around pretty much any car, hell I’ll bet you that even the Mitsubishi Mirage has fanboys drooling over it and extolling it’s virtues in some dark corner of the internet. Now, as you said, I’m not saying any of these cars are bad, all 3 were very fun, and depending on the priorities of the buyer, a case can be made for any of them, but I have never seen a “circle jerk” that spilled over outside the confines of the internet into the showroom floor quite like I did with Subaru, and that to me speaks VERY loudly of it being over rated.

Rico > not for canada - australian in disguise 09/15/2015 at 16:13

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This car does nothing for me outside of being an M Sport in Estoril Blue. Now the 2 Series I really like and when I see it in person it looks even better. Only the 2/4 GC and 6 GC are the only nice cars they make everything else looks like crap.

boxrocket > Margin Of Error 09/15/2015 at 17:28

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Can’t pick just one, so VAGs and GMs.

Round headlight enthusiast > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie 09/15/2015 at 17:48

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Oh gosh, the Altima steering is truly awful. It’s so confused. That being said, if you want a fun car, don’t buy a midsizer. Most people in that market just want something comfy that gets decent gas mileage

Shift24 > Margin Of Error 09/15/2015 at 17:57

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I think the STI is. Still using the same engine from forever ago (2004). Cracked ringlands are a major issue . The new gen could have looked alot better. Still uses mechanical diffs, just as a reference Evos in the states have had torque vectoring since 07.

Though if i had the $ i still would buy one

touring the brook - now with ZHP! > Margin Of Error 09/15/2015 at 20:20

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Hmmm. I don’t want to copy @chevyfan029 drives a Ford, but the Hellcat twins are SERIOUSLY overrated. You’re never gonna use all that power unless you take it to a track. Don’t get me started on the markups.

Nauraushaun > Margin Of Error 09/15/2015 at 23:18

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Inb4 the people posting cars that are universally liked just to stir up trouble/show how individual they are. Ohshi-

C’mon guys, there are truly bad cars out there. Leave the good ones alone.

ChronicVw > Milky 09/15/2015 at 23:59

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The rated 0-60 times you get in the wrx are with clutch dumps, do that in your wrx every day and see how that goes. Youd be a jackass to launch your wrx like they do on car motor trend every time they get their hands on a car. Also the transmission isnt good for much more power than it puts out stock, its less fuel effecient, crappy interior, no hatch version, no hid lights, no 6 speed transmission, shitty options list altogether. And yes it has its upsides, but every car does

And im not saying the wrx is bad but neither is the st. Making an argument that one car is overrated just because another is better is stupid, even if the wrx is better.

And btw, new you would pay 23 grand for the st not 24 for the facelifted model, thats what i paid.